tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892435603546058724.post721973189896110812..comments2024-02-28T21:54:42.667-07:00Comments on Neil Short: What was God up to before creation?Neil Shorthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10338345514242620128noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892435603546058724.post-11641899419487139342017-03-07T20:25:43.068-07:002017-03-07T20:25:43.068-07:00That seems to be the case in Romans 8:28-30. The E...That seems to be the case in Romans 8:28-30. The Ephesians passage comes across as a corporate choice to me. Individuals were not in view; but types of individuals were. I try to thoroughly think through Romans 8 every time before I open my mouth about it; and I may have just opened my mouth prematurely.Neil Shorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10338345514242620128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892435603546058724.post-53649473081570116692017-03-07T19:54:15.179-07:002017-03-07T19:54:15.179-07:00Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the fou...Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, <br /><br />A third option, perhaps, is that this could be the same sense as Revelation, the choosing is a continual process since the downfall. As people believe, they are chosen.Christopher Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103079698930837457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892435603546058724.post-33611189622828239622017-03-07T19:42:28.955-07:002017-03-07T19:42:28.955-07:00I like how you linked these two verses:
***25 Nor...I like how you linked these two verses:<br /><br />***25 Nor was it to offer himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place year after year with blood that is not his own; 26 for then he would have had to suffer again and again since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the age to remove sin by the sacrifice of himself. (NRSV)***<br /><br />***and all the inhabitants of the earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slaughtered.***<br /><br />It really shows how the phrase is probably better understood in a progressive "after the foundation of the world" sense.Christopher Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103079698930837457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892435603546058724.post-71032273153908850512017-03-06T09:28:10.644-07:002017-03-06T09:28:10.644-07:00Mom follows my blog!
Your citation of Genesis 1:16...Mom follows my blog!<br />Your citation of Genesis 1:16-17 (along with Genesis 1:14-15) is invoked usually in support of the notion that God created time. Time was already moving along by the time God created the lights in the sky. The lights afforded a means by which time could me marked.<br />Genesis 2:16-17 warns that the man would die "in the day" that he eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Man was not created as an immortal. He was always made of dust (Genesis 3:19). God changed his mind about the threat of instant death. Instead, the first couple were driven from the garden. It was always the plan that humans would return to the ground; but now there is something horrible about it. People's bodies fail and die. Possibly the original plan was for people to be translated like Enoch (Genesis 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11).<br /><br />It is interesting that there is no record of Adam's age when he fathered Cain and Abel. "Ages," means "long ages" - as in, eons (aionios). That elapse is much more telescopic than the age of a person - even an old dude like Methuselah. It literally means "eternal" but that understanding has to be rejected due to the context of the two verses that have that word.Neil Shorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10338345514242620128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892435603546058724.post-56116239056485886552017-03-06T08:39:30.760-07:002017-03-06T08:39:30.760-07:00Am satisfied with your summation on this, Neil. Am...Am satisfied with your summation on this, Neil. Am thinking you are, too. Some additional thoughts, if you don't mind: Would you agree that the "First notion of eternal life" occurred in Genesis 1:16-17 when God warned Adam that death would occur if he ate of the forbidden fruit? Could it also be possible that "before time", "before the ages began" could be referrencing that point reached in Genesis 5, where man began to measure time? Note that in verse three, Adam was 130 years old when he fathered Seth. There is no record of the ages of Adam and Eve when they parented Cain and Abel. Perhaps "before the ages" "before time" indicates before "At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord", Genesis 4:25-26? Interesting :-)<br />Momnoreply@blogger.com